Education chief DeVos admits she doesn't know how MI schools are performing

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She made unsupported claims about the benefits of school choice and came up empty when asked about the MI education disaster, helped by her huge spending there to advance poor charter schools. Most of the reading and math scores among students at charter schools in MI are below average and overall academic progress lags behind other states. While she argued that it "should be an option for states and communities to consider", DeVos went on to say that she would hesitate to think of "like my first grade teacher, Mrs. Zoerhoff...having a gun and being trained in that way". She's not likely to grant many interviews after last night.

"Well, we should be funding and investing in students, not in school, school buildings, not in institutions, not in systems", said DeVos.

"Have the public schools in MI gotten better?" asked correspondent Lesley Stahl. In response, DeVos said that she gives "a lot of credit to the students there for really raising their voices".

"I don't know. I don't know", DeVos answered.

Lesley Stahl didn't pull many punches with "the most hated cabinet secretary", who was described as "sheltered" out-of-touch.

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In a wide-ranging interview that touched on many key education issues, DeVos said arming teachers "should be an option", that billions in investments in public schools had produced "zero results", and said she didn't know if the number of false rape accusations on college campuses in the U.S. matched the number of actual sexual assaults.

Lesley Stahl: Have the public schools in MI gotten better?

But the tensest exchange came when Stahl pressed her on her support for public schools. DeVos: Michigan schools need to do better.

"Do you think they should be able - teachers should be able to carry assault weapons since presumably they may face assault weapons?"

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